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Mark Neville
??????
14 February at 18:47
Jayme Darcy
You just missed the report on Channel 7
14 February at 18:49
Mark Neville
....oh :)
14 February at 18:49
Paul Neville
Syntax error... consider revising...
14 February at 19:16
Andrew Thatcher
What was it about? I missed it.
14 February at 19:24
Jayme Darcy
Give me evidence then we will talk :)
14 February at 19:26
Jayme Darcy
It was about the story of The Ten Commandments and how they reside in some place in Ethiopia. It just sounded so intellectually wrong. Me and Thatcher should be allowed to see it if we are already going to hell :D
14 February at 19:38
Paul Neville
me?? Well I'm not going to go into too much detail... But I couldn't understand your point. Perhaps sentences may help? Just a suggestion :P
14 February at 19:40
Jayme Darcy
I don't want to go into a debate too but maybe later :)
14 February at 19:41
Paul Neville
I just want to hear where your coming from. I didn't see the report either and wanted to hear what it was about. And mate if your going to make such bold claims in a public arena you need to have some way of backing them up.
14 February at 19:58
Jayme Darcy
There is no evidence? I just said that. I can't believe something just because i was brought up or told to. The Bible or anything around that is not evidence, It is a book written by someone. In my opinion can be compared to any other fairytale book like Jack and the beanstalk. What if today we all believe that Jack once climbed a beanstalk to save everyone? and that somewhere hidden is the big beanstalk he climbed?
14 February at 20:13
Paul Neville
I think you may have gone off on a tangent Jayme... I thought we were discussing the ten commandments? What is it that offends you so deeply about them? Is it the fact that it asks you not to murder? or perhaps its because it asks you to respect you parents and not to steal? I can't see how these statements are, as you so charmingly put it: 'a crock of shit'. I think many of of them are quite wise.There is no evidence that we ought not steal or murder? It is something that you won't believe because you were brought up with it?? I find it deeply distressing that you disregard something simply because you were taught it at a young age. Think about it, if everyone applied your philosophy in real life we would have no need for school or education. (a little sarcastic I know. But I hope you get my drift.).I also find it interesting that you won't believe it because it's written by a 'someone'. If you don't belief documents written by 'people' what do you believe? The Bible was written by something like 40 different authors, whereas many great philosophical works have but one author. Which is more reputable? Why do you disregard a point of view on the basis that there is a 'belief' involved? If that's the case why do you believ anything? Everything has underlying beliefs, faiths and assumptions.... See moreIf you told me that you believed Jack climbed the beanstalk to save us I would lovingly tell you to go back and read it again. I would advise that you read it in the correct context and look at the authors intent, rather than trying to pull some absurd meaning out of the text that simply doesn't exist.I'm sorry Jayme if some of my remarks are overly sarcastic or offend you but I thought it necessary to bite back at your provocative comments. After all that was your intention right?? :P :DCan you post that article? I think it would make for a good read :)
14 February at 20:43
Mark Neville
wow....Paul destroyed you Jayme.... SNAP
Mon at 18:25
Jayme Darcy
I can't be bothered replying but a short response. Prove it.
Mon at 18:56
Mark Neville
no response = Jayme fail :D
Mon at 18:56
Paul Neville
prove what exactly??
Mon at 18:57
Jayme Darcy
Prove to me that the bible and whole big story of religion is NOT a fairytale.
Mon at 18:59
Paul Neville
I think the onus is actually on you Jayme. It would make more sense if you were to prove that it is a fairytale. Jayme there is no 'one story of religion' as you make it out to be. I would really like to know why you have so much anger towards faith??
Mon at 19:47
Jayme Darcy
There is no sufficient evidence so i don't believe. I'm being 100% rational, logical and straightforward. Therefore i live live onwards with the movement.
Mon at 19:51
Paul Neville
Your claims are very bold!! I would say that your presuppositions are affecting the way you view heaps of things! I know mine are... for better or worse we can't look at anything without biases (you can't really argue aginst this point). We all have 'wordviews' that more often than not inhibit our understanding of other peoples points of view.Although, I don't think your being 100% rational. You disregard anyone who has faith. Which is ironic because it takes a great leap of faith to assume their is no God and therefore no definitive purpose to life. You are failing to see that it takes faith to belief that your 'reasoning' is 'reasonable'. Where does your ability to reason come from?? If not from God where does it come from?? Did we one day wake up with this ability along the evolutionary journey (btw evolution is flawed in so many ways as it accounts for less things and makes HEAPS of assumptions which are ultimately based on 'faith' or the want to believe.Not many great thinkers have the arrogance to believe that their thinking is 'flawless'.... See moreIn my opinion there is far more evidence and logical thinking pointing towards theism than there is to atheism. So why do you choose to follow that movement?? I would really like to here some of your responses Jayme :)
Mon at 20:10
Nigel Appleby
<<"It takes a great leap of faith to assume their is no God...">>No it doesn't, Paul. How does it require any effort NOT to believe in something? You are completely atheist with respect all non-Christian ideas of god, are you not? You are atheist with respect to Allah, with respect to Vishnu, Zeus, Thor, AmunRa... or any other of the countless gods people have sworn their lives by were true. The fact you don't believe in Zeus or Thor - with no difficulty - proves that it's very easy not to believe in something.<<"... and therefore no definitive purpose to life.">>... See moreIf you think the only purpose to life is focus on dying, then that’s sad. There is so much meaning in my life – in my love, in my friends and my family. The fact is when I die, if a god exists and he is just, he’ll welcome me anyway based on the values I have lived by. And if he isn’t, then we shouldn’t want to worship him. And if there is no god, then I’ll have lived a beautiful life that we will carry on in the memory of my loved ones. So what’s the problem?
Tues at 21:12
Nigel Appleby
<<”Where does your ability to reason come from?? If not from God where does it come from?? Did we one day wake up with this ability...">>Ugh. The ability to reason is the ability to acknowledge and define logic. Logic is independent of the human mind - and animals other than humans are aware of it. Look at studies in primate or cetacean intelligence; lateral thinking and problem (which require reasoning) are common in their species as well. Evolution, you see...<<"Evolution is flawed in so many ways...">>... See moreSorry again, Paul, but evolution is not flawed. Even the Pope acknowledges that evolution is a reality. Ever heard of y-chromosomal markers, of mtDNA, of endogenous retroviruses? There is absolutely zero controversy in biology over the status of evolution. I really won't go into any further detail with that, because arguing about evolution is like arguing with a child who thinks the world is flat.OH OH OH! And as for the Bible! Do some reading on higher criticism, textual criticism, documentary hypothesis, Q... and others. While the 10 commandments are good in stating the obvious, Moses was not a real person - and the Arc of the Covenant (which the 7 News special was actually about) wasn't real either. Sorry to burst your bubble there.
Tues at 21:12
Jayme Darcy
Thankyou Nigel, I wish i studied Biology and Economics etc. But I didn't.. And yet you see someone like me talking intellectual with straightforward logic and rationalism. My hatred of religion came when my homosexuality made all the christians etc go up in arms about reality.
Tues at 21:28
Paul Neville
I didn't say effort Nigel, I said faith. It does take quite a large leap of faith to assume we are an accident or pure coincidence.Your mistake here is implying atheists believe in nothing. Where as a matter of fact you do. In many ways atheism can be seen as a 'religion'. It fits the definition of a 'religion' as it presents a set of beliefs about our existence (where no God is involved). And no I don't agree. Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Whereas Christianity falls under theism, which is the belief in a God. So by definition I am in no way an atheist!! I don't believe in Thor or Zeus because I believe in God. I couldn't believe in both because they both represent conflicting beliefs.Well is there a definitive purpose in your life Nigel? Whoever said I was focused on dying?? If I was I would've already gone out of my way and ended my life. The reason I live is because my LIFE has purpose.... See moreNigel, I would suggest you look at your statement from a different angle. You said: "The fact is when I die, if a god exists and he is just, he’ll welcome me anyway based on the values I have lived by". Lets say God existed and he was 'just' as you say. If he was 'just' why would he accept you?? Have you lived a fully 'righteous' or 'perfect' life?? What makes you think that you've got it all together?? I assume you don't really want me to go too far into the Christian point of view on this statement. But I will say this; Christians believe in a just God. And since he is just there is no way we, with all our faults, failings and mistreatment of others are good enough to be 'accepted' as you say. That is where the atonement of Jesus Christ comes into it.If you don't believe in any overarching story or plan isn't you life essentially pointless when you put it into perspective?? But if you have no problem believing there is no overarching purpose to life that is entirely up to you.Now moving onto your second post :) :)Yes I agree that the ability to reason is very much "the ability to acknowledge and define logic".So where did this ability come from?? Was it given to us?? Or are we just lucky?? How is it independent of the human mind?? if it was we could all reason in the same way. Although, the reality is we don't. This because of our presuppositions and 'worldviews'. All of us perceive the world in slightly different ways. hence our 'logic' is slightly different. I bring this up because this proves logic is not "independent of the human mind".I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I meant when I said 'evolution'. I wasn't implying that there is no such thing as an evolutionary process. To say that would just be ignorant :P :PBecause you have misunderstood me you have already taken me for ignorant. Science does prove evolution exists... to a certain degree. What I was making reference to is humans originating from a single celled organism and becoming what we are today over time. This has not been proven, and for good reason. A simple cell cannot become something as complex as us. if the process were possible it would not have occured naturally. There are simply too many assumptions made in this theory and way to much 'chance' to make it feasible.I think I've said enough for the moment as this post is HUGE!! Although I will respond to you Bible point. Something to look forward to hey :P ;) :DOh and Jayme you haven't taken any straightforward logical steps... well at least you haven't posted any of them :P :P And just so you know there is no 'economics' in this conversation :P :P
Tues at 23:00
Jayme Darcy
Paul, my son has been naughty. Where can I go to stone him to death?
Tues at 23:28
Paul Neville
Another great response from Mr Darcy!! 10 points!!I was unaware you were a father?? Wow you have started young?? Tbh I didn't even know you swung that way...Anyway... just curious why do want to stone your son?? Why would you do such a horrendous thing in this day and age??
Tues at 23:33
Jayme Darcy
One of the many fallacies in the new testament. Why is there so much violence and rape In the story? I would not let my kids near that stuff. Its like scare tactics to scare kids into believing.
Tues at 23:36
Nigel Appleby
>>"Christians believe in a just God."<<
Yesterday at 00:02
Jayme Darcy
Hurry up and reply Paul and Mark! anyone please!
Yesterday at 13:36
Keara 'Kizza' Forde
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2 hours ago ·
Nigel Appleby
Seems like they have nothing to say.
50 minutes ago
Jayme Darcy
I knowww. They won't question it though, they will brush it away from public eyes and continue the normal way.
48 minutes ago
Keara 'Kizza' Forde
They're saying to eachother right now, "Don't enter into it anymore, we're better then this", when really they're not.
15 minutes ago ·
Jayme Darcy
I really wanna put this up somewhere for people to see :P
